Friday, February 16, 2007

Dazed and Confused... Updated

No, I'm not talking Zeppelin I'm talking the reasoning behind some of the comments on the AAR list. (I have YOU to thank for this whole feeling, you realize this don't you Karen? LOL)

Well, I head over there because Karen asks Sarah McCarty if any of the books in her Promises series had spanking and bondage in them because someone over on the AAR list started talking about Lora Leigh and how her books are, well, erotic. *gasp*


I am currently reading Dangerous Games by Lora Leigh. I believe that she also writes erotica. This book was in the romance section and had romance printed on the spine of the book so that is actually what I thought that I was getting. Also on the back of the book it said that it was a romantic suspense novel. So far, I am enjoying the story and she is a good writer. My only big problem with the book is the love scenes. I REALLY hate when the term "pussy" is used for vagina or "cock" for the male organ, which Ms. Leigh uses these terms and awful lot in this book. It just takes me out of the story and I feel that I am reading something that is not romantic and just down right dirty and X-rated. When the hero of the book starts thinking of her like that or that he can't wait to f*%k her it just turns me right off and I find that I just skip the pages of the love scene. I don't think I'm a prude but I think if an author is writing a love scene better words can be used than those words. Where is the romance when the guy is thinking in terms like that....it just does not work for me.


Um, hello? If this person had done any skimming of said book before purchasing it or even researching Ms. Leigh (hello? She wrote for Ellora's Cave for God's sake!) she'd have had a clue. I felt compelled to speak(big shock, right). Here's what I had to say:

The thing is, I'm finding more and more authors using cock, pussy, and even clit on a regular basis. It's a new trend toward more erotic romance. It's not fair to focus on Lora Leigh because even in Lori Foster's latest(Causing Havoc) she uses two of the three above words.


So, then they jump to who writes romantica/erotic romance with a nice balance of romance and sex. Some authors were mentioned who I believe have a nice balance, many of whom I've read and continue to read regularly. And then it happened, the incident that Karen was speaking of where a reader said this:

I agree that some erotica is not for me. I read the Sarah McCarty Promises trilogy that had a western theme which I love. I found the heroes "masculinity" soooo annoying. Also, I never thought I would say a book had too much sex in it. The anal sex, blow job sex, spanking sex, bondage sex was not really very romantic after awhile.


So, Karen asked, if there is spanking and bondage in the Promises series. The only spanking I personally can think of is in Promises Keep when Cougar gives Mara a slight smack to her pussy which can't be constituted as spanking in the way the reader was meaning. That's it. I don't remember any bondage. So, I say:

The only McCarty book that had bondage, spanking, and the like was Mac's Law which is one of her Unchained series, not Promises series... though there is anal sex in the Promises series.


And she responds:

No, He was a spanker in book two. You may be right about the tying up, though.


Ooookay then. So, my question to her is this:

All these comments, which I might add are negative, yet you read all THREE books in the series. If you've seen the Alpha attitude in one McCarty book and it annoyed you, why did you continue on... especially if you didn't like the sex themes either?


Now I'm waiting for her to answer, which I've no doubt she will, but honestly, if I read one book from an author that just rubs me wrong with characterization(in her case too dominant) then why read any more? AND obviously if she knows there's bondage and lots more spanking in the books, she's not only read the Promises series, she's also read Mac's Law... and knowing the books are from Ellora's Cave, honestly, what do these people expect?

So, my question is why? Why, why, why spend more money on books you say you don't like, unless you secretly do like them? Am I right? Is she saying she doesn't like them, but underneath she really does? Or is there something more going on here that I can't see? I don't know, honestly, which is why I'm asking all of you.

Any ideas?

***UPDATE***
She responded... here's what she said:

Well I never said I didn't love Alpha attitude. I LOVE Alpha attitude! What I said, after I referenced the author's books specifically, was that I found the hero's masculinity sooo annoying, and I said the sex was not very romantic after awhile. I guess from that you assumed I meant that I find all Alpha annoying.

I wanted to try erotica and Sarah McCarty was recommended here. I ordered Promises Linger which I thought was pretty good and I love western themes. So I ordered ebook versions of Promises Keep and Promise Prevail at the same time. The virgin trapped in the bordello sounded like a good plotline and it was except the sex kept getting in the way.

Promise Prevail was what ended my book buying of McCarty. The heroine was so abused by her previous husband and I felt the hero exploited that. Also I discovered Lisa Marie Price, who I think does erotica in a more romantic way.


Okay, first off Clint never exploited Jenna's vulnerability. Ever. He helped her get over it, to believe in herself again, to make her strong.

Second, the woman doesn't realize that Alpha heroes are the domineering type that take over, and in effect, where she refers to "masculinity" she's referring to Alpha, she just doesn't know it. And if she's into Lisa Marie Rice, maybe her preferences are more Beta, but don't you think she'd have gotten that from the first book? Or even the second? If so, then why even read the third?

My thoughts- She loves the whole package that Sarah delivers, but in placating her, I told her since she likes Lisa Marie Rice she may be more inclined to Shannon McKenna's heroes and I also let her know that Ms. McKenna writes for NY... let her figure out for herself that McKenna also uses cock, clit, and the like. LOL

17 People Gabbed:

Lori said...

K, so if she was reading Lora Leigh, and the only thing that bothered her was the words used for the anatomical body parts, I'm thinking... ANAL? Hello! It's Lora Leigh! Maybe she just didn't get to the anal yet...

I don't remember bondage or anything even remotely like that in any of the Promises books. And, if I recall, there is only one anal scene in each, and they are near the end, right? After the trust and relationship is firmly established?

Frankly, one of the Promises books was my introduction to EC books (thank you Clint! oh, yeah, and you, to, Sarah...). I had no problem with it at all. Of ycourse, y'all know how twisted I am!

Rosie said...

Cripes sakes...we (readers and writers) don't have to count the number of anal scenes, naughty words or apologize for reading books with words like c*nt, c*ck, p*ssy, f*ck. These debates drive me nuts. It's an easy fix...don't buy the books.

BTW, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, so my comments aren't directed to you Anne or Lori. I wonder too how long the explanations or education have to go on? If a person reads a book by an author and the content is objectionable...return the book and don't buy that authors books any more. Isn't that choice? Do we have to have a debate over and over again what constitutes romance? Really?

I would guess that if you put any two women in a room and asked them to describe what the components of a romantic evening are there would be some common ground, but major differences as well. What constitutes romance and romance literature is as varied as the women who read it. Does this take a rocket scientist to figure out?

Why do we as readers, or our fave authors like Sarah McCarty and Lora Leigh, feel like we have to defend our choice in reading material? We don't...it's ridiculous.

BTW, I just re-read the Promise series and their are more comments on spankings than actual spankings and more than one anal scene in Cougar and Mara's story. I love the books, I've read them through three times (each) now. They are wonderfully written with emotional depth. Nobody asked me, but I think they are awesome romance stories for adults.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Karen Scott said...

I think she kept on reading it because secretly she loved all the perceived bondage and spanking bits. Methinks the lady doth protest too much if you know what I mean.

She probably has a stash of porn at home that she wanks to, but would never admit it. *g*

Chantal said...

I was going to say what karen said, but she beat me to it.

I can't believe that woman skipped the sex scenes. Those are the best parts.

Oh, and Dangerous games was pretty tame. Heck, anal sex only happened once in the whole book.

Kristie (J) said...

How do you get on that list???? I've tried a couple of times and I think I'm signed up but *sigh* as with so many things - I don't have a clue what to do after I'm signed up.

And I find it amusing that she's offened at some of those words. I think they are perfect in the context they are written in. Nothing like reading some of those words to spice things up and make it more enjoying I say.

Lori said...

You're right, Rosie. Absolutely.

Oh, and you're also right about all the times those hunky alphas talk about spanking the hell out of their women. I guess it just didn't really strike me as threatening, obviously, since I didn't remember it. What I remember is the strong characterization, the beautiful romance and the emotional depth in all three.

Chantal said...

It's not like they spank them to truly punish them (like Johanna lindsay likes to do) These spanking are just part of sex.

Chantal said...

Oops, I was talking in general.
I just went to EC and bought these Promise books you gals are talking about. Thank alot. Like I need more ebooks added to my already huge TBR pile.LOL

Anne said...

Lori- There was more anal sex in Promises Keep because Mara had the issue of "traditional" sex due to the "rape" in the beginning of the book, yet still after trust was built. And yes, anal in Promises Linger and Promises Prevail was after trust was built and more toward the end.

Chantal- You're going to LOVE these books!!!

Karen- That's EXACTLY what I was thinking! LOLOL!!!!!!

Kristi- You can go here and join. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aarlist2/
Be sure to bookmark the page so you can find your way back easily, or else you'll have to go to the Yahoo My Groups section and find it that way. Enjoy. What a thrill. LOL

Anne said...

Kristi- If your signed up, go to the messages link on the left and you'll see what people are talking about. Hope this helps!

Lauren said...

Some people have to read the sex parts a lot to really understand just how offended they are.

And whatever, you know, preferences are preferences. If she doesn't like certain words, that's her right. But frankly, "his male organ" or whatever just sounds so unromantic to me, it makes me giggle. I've never understood the feeling that words are bad - a clit is well, a clit. It's not a nubbin, a nubbin is a baby carrot. Shrugs.

My thing is this - if you don't like it, what the f*ck are you doing reading it? Life's too short to read something you don't like much less buy the next two books in a series.

Anne said...

My thing is this - if you don't like it, what the f*ck are you doing reading it? Life's too short to read something you don't like much less buy the next two books in a series.

I couldn't agree with you more, Lauren. My thoughts EXACTLY.

Chantal said...

I joined the AAR list. I'm Dreamydeppmama.

Like my blog doesn't keep me busy enough. Just another addiction, lol

Zeek said...

Well, I never could understand how that AAR list worked- or more truthfully never bothered to figure it out. But, from the comments I see flying around I think they're a little to tame for me.

(All that whining did was make me want to read McCarty's books!)

Chantal said...

LOL, Zeek! Me too!

Lori said...

You guys are gonna love them! Can't wait to hear what you thought...

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